so many people sitting on their high chairs , i havent seen this many "antipirating" people since the last election information meeting i went to.

you dont steal ... you copy illegaly .

when you go into a store and steal a candy bar it dissapears from the shelf , if you copy something (no not legal) its still there and you get another copy of it , its a copyright infringement , thats the official law , that the big multimillion companies call it stealing doesnt make it just that .

doesnt mean i think people should go around dling everything , but there is a huge difference .

also note that in the copyright law its ok to copy the game for "self use or to borrow to close friend and family" which means if you copy your game and let your brother borrow it it isnt illegal.

Hehe. Maybe the 18K legitimate users had 5 siblings each. I will have you know, sir, that I am sitting on a High Horse, not a high chair. As far as my rabid anti-piracy position goes, I have but one more thing to add before I take my leave of this most entertaining thread:

I have no doubt that I will run across some of these pirates in the normal course of my daily activities. When I do, I will take great pleasure in uttering the immortal phrase:

"Why yes, I would like fries with that"

[/Taunt The Pirates]

I clearly won, by the way.

Here's my problem with pirating Demigod - don't you guys realize that Stardock and Gas Powered Games are some of the last developers that haven't shoved DRM down PC Gamers throats? When you pirate games from these companies, the corporate drones at the other game developers take a look and say, "see. Nobody's honest.  Stardock put out Demigod and it was pirated 100 times for every legit user. It's time to add anti-piracy castration rootkit to our next game - try to download it illegally and get your balls chopped off."

So thanks for continuing to ruin the PC gaming market by ripping off some of the last pro-gamer developers out there.

nr1 : snarkoWhatever no you didnt win , my post had nothing to do with copying demigod or anything the like so your lame answer about siblings is inconsistent , i answered your post which had nothing but faults in it and you answer with another nothing but faults answer.

nr2 : the op bought the game , stop your whining none of us here pirate demigod , and non of us thinks that paying money for a game is bad , but people are way to white/black in this forums for their own good , i have about 20-25 friends who have about 100 bucks left a month to buy food/clothes/hobby items for , if they download their music and movies i couldnt care less , i dont think that they need to live without culture just because they dont have no money .

they are not hurting any1 as they wouldnt have bought the music/movies anyways , and they buy the cds/movies they find on sale or second hand which they liked.

people affording anything dont know the position a lot of people sit in these days and they claim people are so wrong .

me i make more money now , ive been in that position as well and im happy that i have both my feet on the globe because of that.

See, but that actually IS the problem......

When did it become okay to TAKE something when one can't/won't afford to BUY it?

Or has it become IF I can't simply TAKE something I want, then I'll evaluate if I can/will afford it?

Either way, that is a sad statement about our society and doesn't bode well for our future, period.   Forget morality (high-ground etc. etc.), it's bad economics, plain and simple!

the Monk

P.S.  - (sarcastic jibe)

Maybe we should blame piracy for the world's current economic decline, it's about time they paid for something.    /sarcasm

I have one question for you...are you half retarded or full-blood retard?

A person who rapes women would say the samething if you said raping women means you're morrally bankrupt.

You'd be the full blown fucking retard comparing piracy to rape in any way, shape, or form. Clearly apples to apples.

Great argument though, clearly shows you graduated second grade.

To be honest, you both look really stupid right now, so there's no reason to call each other names, you are practically naming yourselves right now!

Just thought you should know that's the way I see it. (and I'd guess a fair amount of others do too)

Now play nice!

well the truth is that a lot of companies have overly raised prices on their products , there are a lot of artists (which are not spears and the likes) who doesnt claim 22 dollars for a cd (low end price in my homecountry the country i live in its about 28).

they might take 5-10 dollars for the cd and still without being huge they make a living .

the truth is that most money for the artists themselves comes from gigs , and the companies make the most from the cds.

a dvd that comes out costs about 28 dollars here , in 3 months time they have lowered the price to 12 or buy 4 for 45 , they still make a lot of money on these dvds but they raise the price during the hype.

Anyways on that is not the issue at hand , but it sure makes people want to download and before they realize that it will not go down .

And no its not ok to take anything , but i will not condone people who have it hard when they do it and it doesnt hurt any1 , i would never allow any1 of my friends to try to make money by ripping someone off or taking something which cant be replaced.

On the second question ... hmm well if a demo isnt supplied or a cd isnt available to listen to i would actually think it would be ok to try it out , if you dont keep it afterwards i guess . As i said in an earlier statement , i download underground music , its not available on radio,spotify,or any other rent/buy a song on the internet , i download cds , then i buy bulk maybe 20 cds every 2 months , they cost approx 4-10 uk pounds a cd .

and many other smaller groups/underground music flourish due to torrents and so forth so its a very small chance that a group which do not make that much money would take damage of pirating.

and well the econimic downfall was caused by greedy corporations/stockholders/ceos

so well there again you can see the issue at hand

In the entirety of your reply you didn't ANSWER my question at all, you skirted the issue and simply responded to the SARCASTIC remark I made at the very end of my post....  

maybe you should be the one to read my post again ? 

"And no its not ok to take anything , but i will not condone people who have it hard when they do it and it doesnt hurt any1 , i would never allow any1 of my friends to try to make money by ripping someone off or taking something which cant be replaced.

On the second question ... hmm well if a demo isnt supplied or a cd isnt available to listen to i would actually think it would be ok to try it out , if you dont keep it afterwards i guess . As i said in an earlier statement , i download underground music , its not available on radio,spotify,or any other rent/buy a song on the internet , i download cds , then i buy bulk maybe 20 cds every 2 months , they cost approx 4-10 uk pounds a cd . "

answer to your 2 questions ? 

the sarcastic remark you made i answered with two sentences with smileys at the end to show that i did not have any hostility in my post.

"and well the econimic downfall was caused by greedy corporations/stockholders/ceos 

so well there again you can see the issue at hand  "

so if you want to say something else in response to my answers to the questions sure post again , but plz dont go putting me down when i clearly answered your questions?

want easier to read answers 

1: it has never become "ok" but when it doesnt hurt any1 and helps another i dont condone

2: Its ok imo if you try it out decide if its good then buy it or delete it , many times you dont wanna throw out money without knowing what you get.

"Raised prices and not having money to buy things are not reasons to simply TAKE things, they are poor "rationalizations" for poor behaviour.  How about NOT having/enjoying something because one doesn't have or doesn't want to spend the money?  

Do you really want to suggest that if someone can't/won't spend money on something that they should simply TAKE it then, so as not to be without?   Doesn't that turn possessing something into a RIGHT then instead of the PRIVILEGE it actually should be?"

as for this , i refer to my first answer , As long as it doesnt hurt anyone why should someone need to live a poorer cultural life due to "sickness/economic instabilities in the country", its never "OK" to go against copy infringment but that doesnt mean i condone people who do.

And i have never stated anything about the gaming industri about this , as i dont want to hold a discussion about that on a gaming forum , this is for books/music/movies .

all my friends pay for their games as we all play online and want the best out of our gaming experiences.

WoW  is this dude (khemintiri) 4 real? As long as it doesnt hurt some1 HuH? "not games just movies,books, and cd"   All of those things are manufactured by someone, and less sales means less jobs.   How many ppl go to work for the music industry?  How many ppl feed their familys by going to work at the movie studios?   Do ppl think it takes a month to make a game?  It takes years, and the ppl workin on it arent workin for free. they have familys and kids and bills just like the rest of us. If the game company went under they would be jobless.  Hurt some 1? lol     For the dude up the thread---How come that family gots 100 bucks for food but can afford internet access?  sounds fishy to me

Wow , well maybe if you would read the whole thread before making statements you would have understood what i was talking about , maybe if you had some idea how the world works as well.

just cause someone download it doesnt mean that they would have bought the item , this is what i am talking about , it's a bigger chance then not that they will if they download the item first as they only have enough cash to buy what they really like .

NO MONEY IS BEING LOST when this happens , they would not have bought the dvd otherwise anyways , they just wanted something to watch instead of a crappy movie at the tv , maybe they like the movie a lot and reccomend it  , maybe 2 others dl it and then buy it ? then the companies would have made money.

it was me aswell stating about "the people" not "the family" that had 100 bucks left , and i was wrong its about 120 dollars when i recalculated it .

if you have part time job minimum wage or have wellfare due to sickness you dont have that much money left , and as several of my friends have come into economic crisis due to this happening to them they have payments to pay off every month resulting in the amount of money they have left.

internet is given money to with the wellfare and the people with parttime jobs find a lot of their entertainment on the net , playing wow or dling movies/music , surfing around on communities and posting their blogs or whatever they do , its a cheap way of having a lot of fun.

so still sounds "fishy" to you ?

khemintiri, I've been a gamer as a poor college student. I've also been a gamer while I was unemployed. Your argument doesn't hold water because cds, movies, and games are not needed for survival. We're not talking food and vaccines here. There are plenty of dirt cheap or free alternatives for entertainment such as the library or heck even Netflix (watch all you want for $14/month). When I was low on cash, I was careful to only buy games that would give me hundreds of hours of entertainment for $30 or $40. IMHO, Demigod is one of those games.

The fact still stands that Stardock is one of the good guys in this mess - small business developers who care about their customers and want to give them the best possible gaming experience. When you steal from them, you're not hurting the big bad corporations who pump out lame repetitive games for $70 a pop. You're hurting innovators who come up with games that are worth playing. And as I've pointed out in my previous post, DRM absolutely sucks. Stardock didn't go down that route because they believe in their customers. If the rest of the industry sees people being honest, then maybe other developers will follow suite. If Stardock goes out of business because of pirates, then you can believe that DRM will continue to ruin the experience for honest gamers.